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| Gurpreet Singh Aurora firstly to answer your points, “So you mean to say that what Guru Jee did 500 years back to fight the mughals should have been done today also in this modern age when india is a functioning ( with all its shortcomings ) democracy ? Aren't there other ways ?” Guru Ji’s message is eternal and does not change through out the years, (BTW Guru Ji fought around 300 years ago). If people are being oppressed they have the right to defend themselves and their families, this is a universal right. It’s a fact even admitted by General Brar in his book Operation Bluestar that an attack was planned since 1982, years before Bhinderwale was there. Hence if Guru Gobind Singh Ji needed to defend Anandpur Sahib by force against the Hill Raja’s and Mughals who were bent on attacking, the same philosophy extends today. Lets not forget the governments own committee which visited Darbar Sahib before the attrack warned against it. There is little room to manoeuvre when you have a leader like Indira Gandhi bent on an attack. Lets not forget the fact that Sikh’s had been peacefully courting arrest and protesting since 1980, only to be beaten and receive human rights abuses. Even than in Operation Bluesar it was the government who came to attack, not the other way round. “How can some one attack a holy place like Golden Temple.Its a house of worship.People should be allowed to just walk in.If the government wished they should have been allowed to come inside and see for them selves that its a place for worship not the private fortress of self styled Sant Jee But I guess people inside the harminder sahib would have had a huge problem with that as it would have exposed to what they were doing inside isn't it ?” Sadly you appear to know little about what actually happened. The government were not only allowed in to investigate, but actually did. In April 1984 a few weeks before the armed attack by the government the Indian Government sent Proffesor Mehar-Chan Bharadwaj and another MP along with other government investigators into the Golden Temple. On return Proffesor Mehar-Chan Bharadwaj reported in the Indian Parliament that “there are no terrorist in the Golden Temple”, and warned against attacking the holy shrine. Why did the government blatantly ignore its own government officials and seemingly without a care for the results of their own inquiry attack the Golden Temple? Lets also not forget that the SGPC were happy to work with the government, and requested on numerous occasions lists of those they wanted inside. However rather than work with them, the government sadly chose to ignore them and did not once issue a list to the management of people they wanted. “You said : could have been taken out at any time the Government wanted (lets not forget the Indian government had helicopter gun ships, artillery, jets, 1 million troops, snipers etc all at its disposal). So am I correct to think that your opposition is not to killing of Militants ( Including Bindrawalle) but your main opposition is to killing of innocents ?” My point above shows the blatant fact that the attack could easily have been avoided (if the government wanted to avoid it. If they were after the so called militant leader they could have easily taken him out at any time, but sadly chose to attack and kill every Sikh in Darbar Sahib instead. If they were so intent on killing militants, they should have at least issued a warrant for Bhinderwale's arrest. Tsingh2 now to answer your points, “. It is true that Indian Government was wrong to attack Harmander Sahib. They should not have done all the damage that they did in order to kill few Sikh militants. However, that does not mean Bhindrnwale was a saint. He should not have taken refuge in Harmander Sahib. If he wanted to fight the government, he should have done in some else.” At least you accept the government was wrong. Anyway Bhinderwale did not simply take refuge in Darbar Sahib, but actually went out almost daily to the surrounding areas. No Sikh of the Guru would stand by and let Darbar Sahib be attacked. If the attack was due to him being there, why had the government been making full preparations for the attack since 1982. Retired Lt-General S.K Sinha a directly involved and high ranking army leader of the time reported in the Spokesman newspaper (June 1984 pge28-29) how “ The army action was not a last resort as Prime Minster Indira Ghandi would have us believe. It had been in her mind for more than 18 months. The army had begun rehearsals of a commando attack near Chakrata Cantonment in the Doon Valley, where a complete replica of the Golden Temple complex had been built”. How can the violent military strike be justified on the grounds that militants were present in the Temple, when all the facts even from high ranking Indian Army officials show how an attack was being planed since 1982, when Jarnail Singh Bhinderwale or no other so called militants had even got inside the complex. “In 1846, a group of armed Nihangs had occupied the burjis [towers] of the Harmander Sahib in a dispute over its custodianship. When the Khalsa Durbar, under Maharaja Dalip Singh sent an army detachment to clear them by force, they had immediately abandoned its sanctuary and surrendered saying that they could not make the "holiest of holies" a battleground.” To compare the above to the full scale military attack on Darbar Sahib is inconsistent. First of all the above was an internal dispute, between Sikhs. Therefore the Nihangs obviously felt it was not in the Panths interests to fight against each other in the Guru’s House. However when ever an external force has attacked the Darbar Sahib Sikhs have always fought back and shed blood in Darbar Sahib. This happened when Abdali attacked, when Masa Ranger was killed and also in 1984. “Harmander Sahib belongs to all Sikhs. Bhanidranwale did not ask anybody permission before he started living in Harmander Sahib. Did Bhandranwale stop the attack and the pillaging of Harmander Sahib? No. If Bhndanwale and his followers would have left, the government would not have any excuse to attack the Harmander Sahib. Bhindranwale's abadonment of Harmander Sahib would have decreases the danger to Harmander Sahib, not increase it.” Who’s permission did the Singh’s who fought against Abdali get for shedding blood in Darbar Sahib. Who’s permission did Baba Deep Singh get. The list will go on and on. The fact is every Sikh has the obligation to protect the Guru’s House, and is supposed to fight against oppression and tyranny. No Bhinderwale did not stop the attack, but he made sure that the World’s fourth biggest army learnt that the Khalsa (Akal Purkh Ki Fauj) is still alive, and were dealt in reality an amazing blow. Did Bandha Singh Behadur stop the genocide of SIkhs, not but he laid the foundation of Khalsa Rag 100 years later. As for if Bhinderwale having left the attack not happening this is incorrect. If that was the case why had they been planning it years before he was even there? Why did they choose to attack on one of the most busiest days of the year, (were the 365 other days not more better)? Why did the Government calling itself the “Worlds biggest democracy” hold a complete media blackout across the Punjab to coincide with the attack? If the Government wanted Bhinderwale and in their terms his tiny band of followers captured why did they attack 37 other holy shrines when Bhinderwale was known to only be at the Golden Temple? Why did they not simply get him anytime outside? Why did they not re-arrest Bhinderwale exactly as they did a few months earlier, rather than bringing tens of thousands of troops to Darbar Sahib and effectively guaranteeing blood shed? Lets not forget the simple fact that for weeks after bluestar the army occupied Darbar Sahib when Bhimnderewle and the other Sikhs were all Shaeed. Therefore its obvious that even if he left they still would have entered, as that’s exactly what they did when he was no longer there. People should also look into the political background and personality of Indira Ghandi to see the real causes of the attack. With an upcoming election she needed to prove to the population her resolve and leadership and also to her fellow congress members. She had to attack in order to prove her iron fisted leadership to the population. Everyone knows that the best way to ensure political sirvival is to carve out a common enemy and attack them in the name of national survival. |
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