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| Moderators Note: The following has been discussed before. Closing Arguments on Castes http://www.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/discussion.nsf/3d8d6eacce83bad8872564280070c2b3/dc0c78729ba94768872569ea00562945!OpenDocument&Highlight=0 Sikh Guru Marriage http://www.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/discussion.nsf/3d8d6eacce83bad8872564280070c2b3/7900099ad632240a872568f100075b84!OpenDocument&Highlight=0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Js Singh ji, sat sri akal <<<<You do see, I hope, what you are saying. Humans have three aspects very important to them. Body, mind and soul. [1]YOU are talking about BODY differences amongst all animals and creatures. They are different to evolution for survival reasons. OF course the differences are obvious. We can distinguish between species and races etc. Your pooch and hooch story makes perfect sense for this level. But it can be argued that genetically we are not much different from eachother either. BUT I guess you mean things like agility, strength, size, color and how the meat is arranged on bones. So I give this to you. It is alright my friend if you want to stay in this level. I am against it. I am just pointing out the differences. [2]Then comes mind. Ahhh! I think, therefore I am!! Most of creatures have a mind. SOME are smarter than others. BUT the big differences which separate humans from other animals are higher reasoning skills and sense of having a soul. Of course here there are diffrences too. ONE can 'somehow' find an average IQ of a race and say the race is ahead or behind another race by 'few points. HERE too it is due to physical capacity or environment. Here too one can be ahead or behind. People like Hitler can have excuses to kill millions.>>>> The theory you have expounded is quite popular. And the fact is that this is the level at which we all deal with the world. The factors of strength, agility, IQ etc are not ignorable. What interacts with the world are the five gyan indri's and five karam indris and behind these is the mind. But to try and ignore the physical and mental traits is down right wrong. If you want to race a horse you would bother about its pedigary. If you wanted a gaurd you would want a fit man. Just as in dogs we human's have traits too. Gujratis inhirantly do not join armed forces where as Rajput, Sikh, Dogra does. The DNA of these people have imbibed these traits. Naga respects a Sikh but dreads fighting a Gorkha. I stayed in that area for three years. Assames are settling Gorkhas along the Naga border because, due to the terrain in which Gorkha lives he is better in the arts of fighting as followed by Nagas. Tell me , if Guru Saheb was to raise an army would he not want physically stronger people? Can any body dealing with wo rld ignore these taraits? If one wanted a match for ones daughter would he not want a physically fit and mentally fit boy? HOW CAN YOU IGNORE ALL THESE and still be PRACTICAL. And there is nothing wrong in it. By quoting Hitler you are trying to gain unfair emotional support. <<<[3]Development of mind and body has always been the priority of human beings and to further the development of humans Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee says, "To educate his mind, man ought to study Divine knowledge to some extent." [SGGSJ-340]. Uhh, this is where we are all equal my friend. Baba Nanak spoke ony one language and that language was of SOUL.He never discriminated on bases of race or mind. He often called 'educated' Moorakh if their ways didn't lead to God. He wanted the SOUL to be "SACHAIREE" so God could accept it as his bride. Nothing else mattered to him. THIS IS WHEN we are ALL equal. ALL EQUAL. [a]Ek noor tay sabh jag uppajeeya, kaun bhalley kaun mandey? ""OUR soul comes from one source so how can we call some good and others bad?" [b]Hum nahin changey, Bura nahin koi!! ""I am ot good, NOBODY is bad." [c]A sacrifice am I unto this love of God, by which caste, tribe and lineage are effaced. [SGGSJ-1367]. [d]Contemplating the Name by the Guru's Instruction, one is rid of caste, race, lineage and doubt.[SGGSJ-1198].>>>> That these above traits do not warrant creation of high - low is agreed to. But even guru saheban cannot deny that different races have different traits. (I am going to side step the issue of caste here as I hate caste system.) But Guru Gobind Singh ji , in his description of battles with Pahari Rajas said that "He took an "Ada" and would not budge , because he was a "Hada" rajput. Here guru Saheb is NOT making him higher or lower because he was a "Hada" but talking about the traits of "Hada" Rajputs. Also we will always end up with one problem. Guru Saheban or any other member of their family DID NOT marry outside Khatris. IS IT because of some traits they appreciated? Too many marriages and NOT ONE out side Khatris. I am surprised as to for how long we have left this aspect unanswered.(About "Hada " Rajput i had quoted earlier also) js singh |
